Wednesday, March 18, 2015

Businesses for Humane Alternatives

This was designed by Claire Pullen, a Mt. Lebanon high school student. Please encourage any Mt. Lebo businesses you know to support this and display the sign.


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Lebanon Shops landlord forced Club Cycle to remove sign

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Dale & Vicki Collision Center
McNeilly Road, Baldwin Twp.

Dogs against the deer cull



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This page is to spotlight the deer friendly businesses in Mt. Lebanon. Please support these establishments. Thank you for supporting the deer in Mt. Lebanon.


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To print signs, click on links here: 


92 comments:

Anonymous said...

You should let people know where this place is located.

Lebo Citizens said...

It is at Lebanon Shops. I added its location in a caption. Please send photos of businesses supporting our cause to EGillen476@aol.com and I will add them to this post.
Elaine

Anonymous said...

I clicked on the link - how do you order one of these flags? I want to display one at my home.

Anonymous said...

Send a copy to MTL Magazine and ask if they will run it as a free public service ;)

Add that copyright symbol already! :)

Terrific sign. Really, really well done.

Anonymous said...

Have any church leaders been contacted? Why wouldn't they change their electronic signs to reflect the value they have for protecting life and ending senseless violence and cruelty?

It's not like religious leaders are apolitical.

Anonymous said...

I live outside of Mt. Lebanon and I would also like to order one. Great job!

Richard Gideon said...

READERS:
For the record, Richard R Gideon Flags is not a "brick & mortar" store - I have no physical business in Mt. Lebanon. I am a military contractor, and my business is strictly cyber. My clients are the military services looking for various U.S. or service flags and streamers. In addition, I consult for various museums (such as the Army Reserve Museum at Ft. Bragg, and the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library) concerning Vexillological issues. In fact, that is my IRS classification - a professional Vexillologist. My purpose in placing a graphic on my commercial website was simple - I support a number of animal welfare organizations, including the Washington County Humane Society, and The Wild Animal Sanctuary in Keenesburg, Colorado. I am NOT against hunting - but I am against inhumane treatment of animals.

So if you're looking for a flag made of the graphics seen on this Blog I can't help you.

Anonymous said...

How Wonderful!! A Business with a backbone and a heart!! And it's right down the street from the Roycroft ladies..
Yes,, Ms Labalme, Ms Linfante and Mrs Logan, etc, etc,, we understand there maybe need for deer reduction,, BUT MT LEBANON DOES NOT SUPPORT THE TYPE OF CULLING THAT YOU APPROVED..

Anonymous said...

let me amend my 9:55 post,, i know Mrs. Logan doesnt live on Roycroft but she is the General of this kill..

Anonymous said...

READERS: Print the JPG from the blog or Elaine can email you the image. Color printing is best. This is not copyrighted because we WANT people to print and display :)

Anonymous said...

Can you make the poster available for download by business owners?

Anonymous said...

Somebody just posted this on Trib

Laura Love Yaremcho · Works at Domestic Goddess
1 mother of 3 little children killed and over 34 serious accidents since 2006 in Lebo...ummmm deer vs car? NOPE! Car vs. person!
Reply · · 1 · 24 minutes ago

But I want to clarify: 34 CHILDREN hit by cars since 2006. There have been at least a total of 126 people hit by cars as pedestrians or cyclists since 2006 in Mt Lebanon.

126.

126.

Remember: 126.

Anonymous said...

9:07 There are several hymns that come to mind as our Commission undertakes projects like toxic turf and animal cruelty. Here is a sample:

"All things bright and beautiful,
All creatures great and small,
All things wise and wonderful:
The Lord God made them all."

Whether you have a religious life or not, if you have a humble and respectful heart you know that the cull as it is being conducted is cruel. We are taught to appreciate and care for the gifts that we have been given. Like Richard, I am not opposed to hunting but I am opposed to this cull for the obvious reasons.

I doubt that local churches would step into this political issue, but it's worth a phone call. Let us know what you find out.

-Charlotte Stephenson

Anonymous said...

I won't go as far as boycotting local businesses "yet" over the deer corral & kill.
They're for the most past, just ordinary hardworking people just trying to get by in life the best they can.
I would though like them to know if they run an ad in MTL magazine or on Lebomag, they aren't reaching this Mt. Lebanon resident. Their ad dollars are wasted since the magazine goes from the mailbox to the trash can.

Anonymous said...

Elaine..i drove by Club Cycle on Mt Lebanon Blve and sadly to report the HUGE sign is down.. i asked a construction walking inside and he said the Club doesnt own the property so they took it down...bummer..

Anonymous said...

http://triblive.com/mobile/7994215-96/deer-lebanon-contractor

"The recent incidents follow one in late February, when cameras showed someone using large squirt guns to spray deer repellent or urine at the corrals.
“It does take up some of our time, and it's kind of unfortunate that people don't use their freedom of speech; they do illegal activity instead to make their point,” Benner said.

The contractor gave all relevant camera footage to police, who have not been able to identify anyone involved, said Mt. Lebanon Deputy Chief of Police Aaron Lauth. Most people in the footage were wearing hoods or winter clothing.

If police track down the individuals responsible, they could face summary offenses for trespassing and criminal mischief, Lauth said."

Benner said! Maybe Benner's people are doing the "illegal activity" so they have a convenient excuse as to why their "never been tried in Pennsylvania" corral & kill isn't working as they said it would.

Until someone is actually prosecuted for doing the illegal activity, my first suspect is Benner or one of his people.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, you can't reason with narcissists. They also dont realize they really aren't admired or respected...only in their own minds.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, Club Cycle was forced by management to remove their sign this morning. After two cars with FOP stickers were takif pictures there yesterday.

Anonymous said...

12:31... Probably took sign down because some yuppie mt. Lebo broads that spend their days in their garden and doing yoga and spinning threatened to not go to spinning class if sign was up. Just a feeling!

Anonymous said...

The Benner corral & kill is the only alternative, commissioners? Sez who, Benner, the guy that made $12,000 telling you it was the only option and then the only guy to bid on the project to kill deer for $500/deer.

After people read the following they'll realize the biggest problem in this community isn't deer poop. It's the commission bullshit that is the problem.

http://m.humanesociety.org/news/magazines/2014/05-06/out-of-season-alternatives-to-deer-culls.html

Anonymous said...

who does club cycle rent from? who owns the property? is that a civil rights violation? freedom of expression? unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

Shame on the landlord for forcing them to take down the signs. Freedom of speech does not exist in mt. Lebanon ? Bet if we dig deep enough the landlord has strong political ties to someone who supports this pathetic excuse of controlling the population of deer. Sad that a business owner has to agree with their landlords political views. Do you see any loss of business Club Cycle? Ill bet not! Proud that there are still REAL people who express their opinions and do not sit back and allow their rights to be illegally taken away! Bravo Club Cylce and Mt Lebanon should be thankful to have you there!

Anonymous said...

12:52 This is the only option they wished to consider. I still recall Lourde's little outburst at the meeting about the deer in her backyard. The commissioners and the prokill, so called "elite" group want the deer to be cruelly killed and to suffer. They are angry and can't think rationally. Not that they think rationally when not angry but...I think they also get off on upsetting as many people as they can.

Anonymous said...

The signs are great, but let's not get too sidetracked and forget about the deer.

Murderin' Merlin and his boys are out there every night, protected by the corn police at the behest of the Deerstapo.

Keep taping, photographing, documenting and monitoring everything they do. Every day and ESPECIALLY every night.

We have two weeks to go.

2 weeks.

Make every day count. We're the only ones between the deer and their death.


A perfect sunny day today. Perfect for a walk to LEGALLY check things out.

Everyone working on this is beautiful, and everyone helping is valuable.

We may not save all of the deer, but by gosh we're going to save a lot.

Anonymous said...

There is a pro-cull Mt Lebanon PTA mother of four PTA that teaches spinning there. She told everyone via Next-door how necessary the deer cull is anyone against it that eats meat is a hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

who are those jack wagons that own that place? Must live on Roycroft! Were they threatened by the politicos?

Anonymous said...

I know some of the ladies who spin there 4 times a week.. they are PRO KILL and are gardeners.. so maybe they threaten to quit

Anonymous said...

Lebanon Shoppes and the Club Cycle are in Castle Shannon

Anonymous said...

What a coincidence.

"“It does take up some of our time, and it's kind of unfortunate that people don't use their freedom of speech; they do illegal activity instead to make their point,” Benner said."

Hmmm, Mr. Benner, what say you about a business owner at Lebanon Shops being forced to take down their anti-culling sign?

Bet you'll keep your big mouth shut on that one, won't you?

Then Mr. Benner, while you're busy upholding freedom of speech, how about reading the following little declaration before you have your people calling in the 'geSTOPo' to investigate people walking near a park.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I'd say walking your dog near a public park falls under the definition of pursuing happiness, Mr. Benner!

It is amazing that doing something simple like counting and managing deer in a small community can turn into to nightmare. Civil rights being violated, public parks off limits, neighbor turning against neighbor and you're going to preach to us about free speech... bullshit, Mr. Benner.

Anonymous said...

9:27, you think the deer are a problem. Wait until Benner takes down his corn feeders and leaves town and see what we'll be facing.

You might want to start using your head for something other than a place to put your hat.

"Rats have very high reproductive rates. A pair of rats and their offspring could produce 1,500 more rats in only one year if they all survived. Rats breed at 3 to 5 months of age, carry their young for 21 to 33 days and have 6 to 12 young per litter, and 4 to 7 litters per year. The actual figures within these ranges depend on the availability of food, the density of rats in an area and the age of the female rat."

http://ipm.ncsu.edu/AG369/notes/commensal_rodents.html

Anonymous said...

Hey all.....I own club cycle...and NO member of mine from mt.lebanon stopped coming because of our sign. For you to say yuppie..I am offended for them. I appreciate your compassion. But please don't as far as calling out my members cause then I will loose them over your disrespectful comments. Me and my fiance both own Club Cycle and as young professionals coming from nothing we just wanted to take a stance. I am all for getting rid of the population but not the way they are doing it.

-Stacie

Anonymous said...

Oops, 207 here.
Inadvertently dropped the comment about rat reproduction here instead of under Tuesday's "“We see no value to Mt. Lebanon residents of releasing daily reports" post where rats were being discussed.
Sorry!

Anonymous said...

rumor has it that Robb Hollow Corral is gone.

I'll verify by 5:30

At 1:30 I was speaking about the people that own the building, not the club cycle owners.

Good luck Stacie!

Anonymous said...

Club Cycle is one of few businesses left that have true compassion for what they do. The sign was not removed because any member complained. Lets refrain from name calling, I believe we are all adults on this forum. Im sure pro-cullers did complain, because they want this to happen more than anything, but keep looking at the facts.

Management forced them to take it down this morning. This is a violation of a first amendment right. If you believe in them displaying the sign, Call John Gallagher of Meyers Management. 412-563-4665. Demand they allow them to put the sign back up. He is the manager of these shops.

Also Club Cycle is on Mt Lebanon BLVD however it is in Castle Shannon. For a business to take a stance on something like this and help people get the message across is brave and admirable.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Stacie for your comments.. and your attempt to stop this type of culling..
I was brought up in the 70's and early 80's and have a deep feeling for the deer and all nature that roam in my tiny little yard.. My highschoolers on the other hand think the deer are a nuisance and support the cull..and so do lot of their peers and of course their parents..To me their total lack of empathy is very very troubling to me..

Dina said...

I also spin at club cycle 5+ days a week. Regardless of my stance on this, I would hope that people are mature enough to have a conversation about such topic in any environment. I am not aware of who is anti-killing and who is pro-killing at spinning because we don't go there to talk about the cull. We go there to get a great workout with two professionals who have the same freedom of expression as the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Stacie--
I'm not one of the people that commented on your signs one way or the other or on your clientele.

I'd like to add that people need to think twice about where they're going with boycotting businesses for their stance or lack of a stance on this cull.
Business owners aren't the problem.

The problem is with the cull, the reasons behind its implimentation and the police intimidation/commission propaganda to see it through.

Stacie, thank you for expressing your dissatisfaction with the cull and your honesty about favoring some form of control.
I hope the pro or anti-cull people don't hold your position against you.

Wishing your business much success, the shops need you to succeed because if you do... it's good for everyone.

Hope you don't advertise in MTL magazine though.

Anonymous said...

...and now you know why more people don't speak up, post anonymous or just don't get involved.
Thanks commissioner for creating your own community. wink, wink.

Anonymous said...

Stacie - Glad you wrote it... it's a reminder that if residents want animals treated humanely... we have to contain our anger toward the powers that be and work toward a more civil society. It's a long road in Mt Lebanon....

Anonymous said...

If there are "vandals" messing with traps, where's the video footage from the high tech cameras? If there are so many criminals roaming the parks in Mt Lebanon, freeing wildlife, why the restraint from the police (i.e., "no incidents") and Benner (i.e., "no images")? Further, why haven't they been detained? Don't we have top-notch police here in Mt Lebanon?

Anonymous said...

2:50 We don't know why it was taken down. I don't think it's a good idea to cause problems with the manager for Club Cycle. Sometimes there are legit reasons and while its unlikely in this case, making life difficult for the cycle club is not a good idea. Business owners here are having a hard enough time dealing with this cull and Mt Lebanon - from a business owner.

Lebo Citizens said...

Help needed ASAP!

The McNeilly corral has been removed. When they shot the other night, one of the deer ran off and died in someone's yard.

Robb Hollow corral has been removed.

One of the golf course corrals has been removed.

Please visit all of the areas and confirm if they are gone for good, or just relocated . Let me know ASAP.

Thank you!
Elaine

Lebo Citizens said...

Update: Bird Park is still up. McNeilly is down. Robb Hollow is down. One trap has been removed at the golf course. Benner is trying to find better spots because they can't get any deer where they are. I don't know the status of Connor Road.
Elaine

Anonymous said...

How does a deer run off from a closed corral that has to have meeting over the top according to the GC permit?

What do we have Walking Dead Deer?

Anonymous said...

I'm not an expert at trapping deer but I have to wonder why they are re-locating the corals unless they decided to just give up and go back to Tioga County. I would think that keeping the corals in place would be more advantageous because according to the $12,000 expert, you need to train the deer for some time and now with only 13 days left how effective is it going to be to move the corals from one place to another. But like I said, I'm not a deer trapping expert.

Nick M.

Anonymous said...

Keep an eye out for clover traps when checking the corrals!

The clover traps are much easier to conceal.

If a deer was shot and ran off, the corrals, which are designed for HOGS, NOT DEER, may have failed, or they are shooting deer outside corrals and their claimed one-shot, one-kill, headshot proficiency is BRAVO SIERRA.

Go go go!!! We've got them scurrying around more than the rats they attracted.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqNZAIQH4U

Anonymous said...

Thousands of deer according to Hayes from the Post-Gazette and Bwana Benner is having a hard time finding them?
Gee, he was so sure there was a bunch when he talked the commissioners into his $75,000 plan.
Once again commissioners, you look like fools.
How much is that >$1,000,000 artificial turf, again? Another bungled plan!

Anonymous said...

Legally peak at yards of complainers about deer -- traps could be there. Surely they've changed traps bc they don't want anyone to know where they are and the corrals aren't working. But now this endeavor is even more dangerous.

Anonymous said...

March 18, 2015 at 4:05 PM
"McNeilly corral has been removed. When they shot the other night, one of the deer ran off and died in someone's yard."

How do you know this? Is there a report some where? How can a deer in a corral be shot and escape??? The corral is totally closed in and net over the top? Something doesn't smell right with this story. Are they shooting deer outside the corrals??? Whose yard did it die in. This is a big story that needs to a press report.

Anonymous said...

So where do the rats go after they've consumed the last kernels of corn left behind by Brenner?
Why they'll head to the garbage piles that sometimes sit by the curb for days.
Is anyone seeing a pattern of bad management here.
Over budget turf.
Shoddy garbage collection.
Bungled deer cull.
Opaque public information.

Anonymous said...

If they are setting up corrals in new sites, it will likely take a week or so to bait the deer to gain their trust, before they enter the corrals, and so they will likely still have one good chance of killing them before end of March, but not much more time.

We need to find out these new locations, so that parents and children can be given appropriate warnings to stay clear.

Anonymous said...

CORN COPS, CORN COPS, WHATCHA GONNA DO, WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU???!!! Maybe the Piss Police will finally have a use for that riduculous Ford F-150 police cruiser that we paid for. Careful not to spill your caramel macchiato's while traversing the trails in Bird Park, Corn Cops! Don't want to soil your kevlar vests.

Anonymous said...

Follow the corn police.

Anonymous said...

Instead of the annual Easter Egg Hunt in Main Park this spring, maybe Das Kommission can authorize a Rat Roundup, where neighborhood kids see how many rats they can catch and return them to the municipal building for a prize. If not, maybe they could bob for eggs hidden in the hundreds of pools of standing water at the Crown Jewel. Winners get first dibs on field slots!!!

- Zack M.

Anonymous said...

@ 2:50 PM

Sorry, but please stop talking about the first amendment when you clearly don't understand it. Private citizens and private businesses have the right to restrict speech. The first amendment restricts the government's ability to limit speech. I'm sure you don't see or understand the difference, but it distracts from the point that some are reasonably trying to make here to make pointless arguments.

Now if you have evidence that the local government is involved, that's another issue entirely.

Also, echo, echo, echo.

Anonymous said...

4:57, wouldn't you think it would be the responsibility of the municipality to give appropriate warning for residents to stay clear especially with more kids walking home from school with the weather being nicer now? And you know how kids are...curious about things? Or maybe I'm living in la-la land.

Nick M.

Anonymous said...

Deer can be conditioned in a few days.

If some residents are opening up their backyards for clover trapsand shooting, this could be an epic fail in the making.

No homeowners insurance on the planet will cover anything related to deer traps and killing in a residential area.

That means their ENTIRE net worth would be up for grabs. The house, investments, everything.

Lawyers DREAM of cases like this. Everything they own, up for grabs.

An errant shot or ten by the "marksmen that can't shoot straight" and it's Open Legal Season.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Zack but only the third party sports associations are allowed to have field slots, remember, they started back on February 16th. Oh wait, I just remembered, they had a slight problem with getting started.

Nick M.

Anonymous said...

5:25 Remember, it wasn't the school district that reminded this muni about federal gun free school zones. The school districts puts all safe walking conditions on the muni, but the PA School Code does not put safe walking conditions on the muni -- they require the school district to take action when their are unsafe conditions.

Strategy: Intentional diffusion of responsibility

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr. Hayes, Pittsburgh Post Gazette reporter... please explain to us how a deer in an enclosed corral gets wounded then runs off to die in someone's yard.
OK we'll wait while you check in with MTL's PIO to see what you should write.

Anonymous said...

Merlin is making the commissioners look like idiots.

Every election, every consideration for sitting on a board somewhere, "remember the deer fiasco?"

Thanks to the Internet, FOREVER.


They are too vain to cut their losses. More chances for something to go really wrong.

Even a McDonald's manager would know better.

Anonymous said...

In the year 2035, we can tell our great grandchildren over a steaming bowl of rat stew how our once great community became known as Rat Lebanon, Rat Capital of North America. Silent Steve Silverman's Almanac predicts local businesses will be booming from the rat trade! Get in now while the getting's good!

- Zack M.

Anonymous said...

Can someone elaborate on the shot deer that died in someone's yard? Is that a deer that died in addition to the 3 last week that were found in yards/streets dead?

Anonymous said...

Benner removed the Corral at the McNeilly site today Wednesday March 18. He seemed upset. Police and Game Commission were there. He was throwing things and yelling. All the Corrals are being relocated in Mt Lebanon. No one knows where. Aren't you afraid for your safety?

Anonymous said...

5:25----Indeed, it WAS the MTLSD that informed the muni and the police that the federal GFSSZ was being violated several weeks ago.
6:42-----Rats are rats. Any idiot who leaves fermented corn on the ground for weeks on end will attract rats. This isn't brain surgery. I think that the traps with the rats need to be closed due to public health hazard. The rats will leave and the chipmunks will stay. We MUST address this rat problem in our parks.

Anonymous said...

Benner is upset?

*giggles*

Anonymous said...

7:47: Kewl. Benner is having a meltdown. I've been afraid for the safety of Mt. Lebo before Benner fired the first shot. The public must know where these corrals are being relocated and where the clover traps, if any, are located. I can just see a Mt. Lebo elementary kid entering a clover trap. BANG. BANG.

Anonymous said...

6:42. Ignoring rats will not make them go away.

Removing their food source will.

They are chowing down on Benner's corn that has been laying around for WEEKS.

RATS ARE A MAJOR HEALTH ISSUE.

If you are worried about how rats are eradicated, call the ACHD and recommend something else.

Anonymous said...

Are they relocating the corrals at night?

How will they know what is behind them?

This doesn't seem safe.

Anonymous said...

I seen rats at that corral. I didn't know what to do. I don't live in one of the nearby houses but if I did, I would keep my kids inside the house.

Anonymous said...

First, while I think it's admirable to see the spin business have and express their opinion, I would ask posters if they would be as enthused had the sign said "Cull Is Cool". Probably not. Point is, it cuts both ways. I don't expect local businesses to take a political position. If they do, either way, I think it demonstrates poor judgement. Either you want to be in business to make money, or you want to grandstand. Pick one.
As for Benner moving traps to find deer, I would say "you can't find what isn't there, pal". Want to find deer? Pack your traps and head back north.

Anonymous said...

7:47. If police and PGC witnessed someone acting in an unstable manner, shouldn’t they be concerned about that person harming others or even himself? Especially if that person is known to be armed?

Did they take any precautionary measures, at least securing his firearms until he calms down?

An angry armed person yelling and throwing things should be cause for concern.

Anonymous said...

If you want to see an over abundance of deer, take a drive through North Park around the lake. They are everywhere.

Nick M.

Anonymous said...

If a business wants to support a cause, that's their call.

It may help or hurt business, it may generate new customers.

Lots of green companies do it (including Patagonia in their slick, wasteful catalogs).

Their business, their call.


I think it is admirable and brave of supporting firms to put their money (business) where their mouth is. Bean counters and investors are welcome to throw up their hands in anguish. YMMV

Anonymous said...

These rats didn't travel to lebo in Brenner s luggage. They are anywhere where there are people. Walk in uptown on a quiet night and you'll see them scurrying behind the municipal garbage cans that line the streets. The corn is just giving them a new place to meet up.

Anonymous said...

Merlin may be getting edgy over losing money.

5 guys on site for 4 weeks? Rooms, meals, equipment purchases, equipment rentals, CORN, gas, wages, MORE CORN, time diverted from other projects, damage to company reputation, it all adds up. The meter is running and he is playing musical corrals.

Anonymous said...

8:23

You say: "Either you want to be in business to make money, or you want to grandstand. Pick one."

I think that's a pretty oversimplified, and aggressive perspective. There's a lot of gray space for business owners as far as their "positions" on social, civic, environmental, etc., types of issues. If a business wants to make a statement about animal cruelty, it's... their business.

Anonymous said...

8:15 Why would you keep your kids in the house if you saw a rat? I can see telling your children to stay away from a rat or to tell you if they see one but I think the whole "come inside kids, it's dangerous out there" attitude contributed to this ordeal.

Remember there is an entire group of people who fear deer here in Mt Lebanon, reporting they have been attacked or charged by deer. Others are fearful if a deer looks in their window.

Imagine this solution for the fearful: work on your fears instead of trying to kill them. You can run, but you can't hide.

Anonymous said...

9:34, it could also be safety from rifle fire in a densely populated community, removal of rats from excess corn feeding, or simply freedom of residents to walk through parks without fear of police questioning.
All was calm before the culling, and we want it to return to calm again. This issue may be political for the commissioners, or wash day talk for the residents, but it sure is embarrassing for Mt. Lebanon. We all hope business returns to normal after the cull, but there are no guarantees.

Anonymous said...

Mt. Lebanon commissioners may really be on the hot seat for this fiasco. They already paid out $12,000.

They wouldn't try to stiff Merlin on his $500 per deer by dinging him with contingency costs, or just str-e-e-e-e-etching out payment forever.

Nah. They wouldn't do that.

They don't have any history of anything like that, right?

Small businesses never get hung out to dry, especially when they have PO'ed the client.

Anonymous said...

9:08---Agreed. Rats are everywhere. But Benner and his fermented corn setting out for over a month can turn a corral into a rat hotel. Very close to schools and homes, which is where they will scatter to when Benner finally picks up stakes and drives off into the sunset. Homes on Youngwood, Crescent are at high risk. So are their kids. This whole thing is a mess. It is the biggest train wreck I have ever seen in any local government.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Linfante has another line-item in the sign budget:

http://www.westsiderag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/rat-crossing1.jpg

Anonymous said...

Out of the mouths of a few MT. Lebo middle school kids today...

"They poop in our yard, they should be killed."

"Who cares, they're just deer"

"What's the big deal, it's not like they've even killed that many yet"

"I can't believe people are making such a big deal about this"

I hear things like this every day. This town sure is doing a great job of raising compassionate children.

Anonymous said...

10:56 These kids are not learning how to be compassionate in school. Mt Lebanon could work on that, but it isn't tested soo...you have to teach them yourself. Take it on. All parents/adults in the community have to realize this... Start early and don't stop.

Anonymous said...

Parents really do need to get their kids outside the bubble. Nature is not sold in a big box store, is not a game on Xbox and is most definitely not disposable.

All part of equipping them to survive once they are pushed out of the nest.

Anonymous said...

AMEN to that 6:10!

Anonymous said...

Yes amen 6:10.
It's about letting kids get outside, run thru the woods, climb trees, skate board, play pick up baseball, football, soccer and make up their own teams, field boundaries and rules.
How many that grew up in the 60s and 70s remember playing wiffleball in someone's backyard?
You made up rules to make it work. Balls hit into mom's flower bed were automatic doubles. Balls hitting the telephone or electric wires were a do-ovrer, because you didn't have enough players you used pitchers hand for lack of a first baseman.
That's how kids learned to interact, to give and take, to problem solve.
No helicopter parents that planned every minute of everyday, making sure no one wins and no one loses
Yes amen, 6:10, amen.

Anonymous said...

10:14 am I agree with you that what you have described is an active, healthy, social, low-cost childhood. However, there is a very negative sentiment toward play and children in Mt Lebanon. There is a desire to cull kids from the streets.

Last night, I dreamt that my neighbor a few doors away who repeatedly called the police for me permitting my children to ride their bikes in the street (with parental supervision) apologized, acknowledged she was wrong, and gave me a hug.

But it was just a dream.

Anonymous said...

10:14 that's why we've arrived at a point where we accept no information from the Public Information Officer because they determined we can't handle or know how to respond (ie: the way they want us to respond) the the truth.

Anonymous said...

A block of wiggling Jello would provide as much information as the HIGHLY PAID Ms. Morgans.

Anonymous said...

Probably more 10:57, at least the Jello would be translucent.

Are the new crossing lights in on Washington Road yet?

Anonymous said...

Do USC or other neighboring communities have a PIO?